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cerealno

2012-04-09, 04:01

Sup OG dudes!

I got one or two of these Turks banned and wiped. can't even remember. That's how unimportant their existence is to me. I called one a cheater when he was making 200m headshot kills with one handgun bullet. Since then until i got him banned i was harassed by him and his stupid insignificant friends. I see they're back in business. No worries, I can and will do it again. But for now I need your help with a perm ban on him.

If my experience, reputation for playing fair doesn't count for anything, and the number of friends he's got, 70h of playtime combined with a +1050 SPM, his k/d of almost 4, his deplorable weapon stats are no red flags for anyone then please watch the vid below. This way there is no further debate and you waste less of your time which could be spent on other stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdiapAYjCPM&feature=youtu.be

I know what you can and can't do in this game, most of it anyway. Does he still look like a good player? There are players that can take me down, but nobody can take me down like that, and nobody can see like that in a legit way. Just trying to help you guys maintain a clean server and keep it fair.

Cheers!

Gisse

2012-04-09, 08:11

Don't understand what you wanted to show with this video? That he was base raping US team?

fasafiso

2012-04-09, 08:32

:twisted: I do advertising to the world to you ! . But I will not do. Things you should consider before making a well. Just install the video easily pull and youtube. No problem. and recognizing the need to know before accusing people of their own errors. Is easy to blame. And so sory my English very bad Ã‚Â*:( look at this >
http://boardreader.com/thread/ESL_RO_National_team_promoting_cheater_aqtxjX4tm60 .html
and this >
http://www.battlefield.ro/battlefield-3/battlefield-3-news/item/85-esl-ro-national-team-promoting-cheater/85-esl-ro-national-team-promoting-cheater?start=20
Thanks for reading... Good Games...

Gisse

2012-04-09, 09:20

:twisted: I do advertising to the world to you ! . But I will not do. Things you should consider before making a well. Just install the video easily pull and youtube. No problem. and recognizing the need to know before accusing people of their own errors. Is easy to blame. And so sory my English very bad Â*:( look at this >
http://boardreader.com/thread/ESL_RO_National_team_promoting_cheater_aqtxjX4tm60 .html
and this >
http://www.battlefield.ro/battlefield-3/battlefield-3-news/item/85-esl-ro-national-team-promoting-cheater/85-esl-ro-national-team-promoting-cheater?start=20
Thanks for reading... Good Games...

Cerealno is tank driver and most kills is made with tank .... So article is not accurate and don't have weight

WhiteMoose

2012-04-09, 10:26

FluggerNO

2012-04-09, 11:02

The only thing it shows is that he is straigth up at our spawn.
There is just one type of players that does that. And that is the ones with NO honor or respect for the other team. Also the lak of skills then..
The case here is that would Ã‚Â*first warn the player in the chat. If that dont work Ã‚Â*:arrow: Ã‚Â*kill and warn with admin tools.. after that I would Ã‚Â*:arrow: Ã‚Â* kick. If the player comes back and do the same Ã‚Â*:arrow: ban.

cerealno

2012-04-09, 13:34

Are you guys trolling me now? Are you serious? Look at the distance he's killing me on and with what weapons. I get instakilled with m4 and .44 on that range? Just look again and listen. You'll hear a zing, just one and I'm dead. Take a closer look. This is post-patch. You couldn't even do that pre-patch. This is not even a macro. This is straight up cheating.

Look at his friend: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/user/o-ExTReMe-o/
He got the tank just to mess with me (griefing) and didn't use it the whole round. Plus you'll notice he looks at me and FFs me every time. Maybe he's telling his cheater friend where i am so he can kill me quicker? Oh did i mention the RPG shots? Look at the second one made just after i respawn, which goes past my ear. An SPM and k/d on that playtime? Really Moose? I don't even understand how someone so prestigious as yourself even says that. C'mon dude, you don't even have those stats. What would you do if you're wrong? The video is raw footage. I didn't modify it in any way. How you don't see it is beyond me, and me playing detective shouldn't even have to happen. He should just get banned. Pure and simple. I read your rules. Remember the togglers? Ah, nevermind, it's a myth anyway. Who would turn their cheats on and off in order for them not to get caught and appear legit? Or who would stand like a statue in the middle of the street in order to get killed, so his k/d isn't suspicious? Nah, nobody would do that, it's ok. We're ok, enjoy your games, because nothing like this ever happens.

Check fasafiso's IP. Let me guess...He's from Turkey, right? Look at the degree of stupidity and lack of culture he exhibits. Do I even need to mention that he thinks so poorly of all of you that he put that ESL link? I got accused of hacking by some Romanian morons who wanted to be in the national team and weren't even at the same level with my crotch. Now, it's my 3rd week as captain of the national team. Enough said about that.

You guys ban and/or metaban for racism without a second thought and when a high-ranking player comes to you with information on a cheater, proof, the whole nine yards, you dismiss it? Racism > cheating? Really? Ok, I will adapt and respond accordingly. I'll make him rage so hard that he just annihilates my team to get to me. I won't even report him anymore.

Got him banned before. I'll do it again, with or without your help. Thank you for your time. Cheers!

Gisse

2012-04-09, 13:55

Will look video again but it could help to tell in what minut:secound

And no we are not trolling you. Why should we?

stoneshank

2012-04-09, 15:05

Really trying to find the obvious cheating, mate. I don't see it. Rpg/Smaw are dead on accurate, it got even less drop per second post patch (hence why alot of ppl, including me, kept shooting rpg's above the target hehe). I wasnt, at all, amazed by his rpg shots.

.44 got buffed in the patch (accuracy, reloadtime, damagerange, RPM) and his shots wasnt even close to the ranges ive shot people with it.

His RPG/SMAW hits on your tank were not amazing either (tank on karkand is usually, if not then often) marked so he would know where you were if his headset was turned off. Most people have around 40% + accuracy on those weapons. He missed atleast one i think. Seems legit to me aswell.

His m4 (why on earth would anyone use m4 with handgrip, it doesnt have a horizontal sway compared to the m4a1 now after the patch anyway, so he's just ignorant of the mechanic) shots on you was quite dead on , I totally agree. There are still explanations to that. Related to packetloss or latency sometimes people do those kills on me aswell and I have quite the experience of that, the dataflow comes in one cramped up package and what I see, when i get killed like that, is that i just die instantly when it's usually not about it at all.

Still about his m4 kill(s), which is a bit too little data to prove anything, it doesn't have a automatic firemode - just burst - which would make his firing speed somewhat slower but more accurate. It seems to me a bit too accurate but again, too little data for me as I havent spent more than 200 kills on that model of weapon.

I understand you have quite the history with this player and his friends. Alas we have not, so we really only get to see this clip and his battlelog which isn't containing nearly as much information as your own experience can provide.

As far as the video is concerned; I can't see it as proof of anything and I've watched it three times now. I would be happy to be pointed at the sequences that stands out, by you, though so that I can see what you see.

I was under the impression you would make some form of instructional guides aswell to spot a cheater. I hope it's not what is in your description of your youtube video as it is just this:

1. Play like an idiot and make him take shots at you.
2. Recognize the fact that he's an imbecile and has an IQ number smaller than his age, whatever it is. He is clearly a subhuman. Take advantage.
3. Record his moronic friend griefing in the tank too. It will help.
4. Taunt him. He loves it.
5. Get a headshot on him while he's loading the RPG.
6. Type in the chat that you're recording as if to prove they're complete retards.
7. Get in the tank and remind him who he's using cheats against (you MUST make him rage)
8. Get one of your friends in who'll laugh in chat at him every time you kill him or he dies.
9. Submit proof.
10. Laugh with your friends as he gets banned (again).

To the poster of those links about CerealNO; those post were redicilous at best, witless at worst. Making and argument that Cerealno got too few kills with a handweapon when everyone knows, who played him, that he's a vehiclemaniac not only shows a bad point but also undermines the whole stated mainpoint that he's cheating. If you prove to everyone that you don't, yourself, understand the mechanic about and around the game - dont bother posting in the first place as it only reveals your own lack of knowledge of the game (which really is quite crucial if you want to make the arguments you are).

TL;DR CerealNO, I'm trying to see what you see here, mate. It's just not, nearly, enough obvious facts. I actually don't see anything but a stupidly high SPM on battlelog. Which I obviously find supsicious but not enough on its own.

That said, if he has gotten wiped at battlelog before I think we are interessted as the grounds for a wipe is quite severe on its own. That alone, afaik, should be enough for a ban. Do you have any links/info about that aswell?

Play on

cerealno

2012-04-09, 16:31

No links or info. We all know how the reporting goes in battlelog. No information is given after you make a report, you are not kept up to date, you only see consequences, if any. Only me and a few other clan mates know the history with this guy. Apparently my word counts for very little. Maybe that'll change in the future.

Further proof:
1. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/strlnhsdtr/weapons/447808925/pc/
Defend the kpm on M249, 870MCS, DAO12, M240B and especially the G36C and I have nothing more to say to anyone that does.
2. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/TerrabyteX/weapons/351483498/pc/
I know this guy personally. He's my support specialist in the national team and will piss on almost anyone, even me sometimes. He's also the 1st globally with the MG36. He still has 2.28 KPM with it.
3. 00:35 first rocket hit with deadly accuracy on like Ã‚Â*75-100m. Pops up, shoots, pops back.
4. 00:55 he shoots the rocket before i come out from behind the wall. Watch it carefully. Use space if necessary.
5. 01:04 he sees the angle I'm aiming at and comes from the right. This should be your first ESP suspicion.
6. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/user/o-ExTReMe-o/ This douchebag, his friend, at 01:23 shoots at me. Obviously griefing because I raped all of em so badly the previous round. Clearly they we communicating, although i dunno why...since the ESP should be enough. Imbeciles.
7. 01:49 Turn up your speakers, look and listen closely. I barely look at him and he downs me. Listen to the shot. It's barely audible, like a flick or a ping. He's got a tac light on it so his shot should make a louder bang. Nope.

That's just a bit of it. There are a lot more explanations to be made on the vid but what i've said should be enough. If it isn't, if anyone here thinks that it's not suspicious, I challenge anyone that does to come to my clan's unranked server and test if you can kill me like that. I'll even make it easy for you. I'll stand still. You can take your time aiming, but you have to use the same setup. I'll record and give it to you to see how it should look. If you wanna waste more time on this.

This isn't funny at all dudes...my clan mates get metabanned for saying the N word, I get kicked for saying "we stole the APC because that's what gypsies do" (The whole world is allowed to call Romanians gypsies, but when I self-satire noooo, it's not nice and it's rasist...KICK!).
With admins on the server, with a regular reputable player complaining, with other players complaining that how he shoots is BS and nothing is done about it, but you enforce the racism rule like it's a bigger issue than cheating, when it's not...that isn't nice. Not trying to tell you how to do your job. You're well within your rights to state, apply and enforce whatever rules you want on your servers and it's up to other players to obey them. What I'm saying is that some of your priorities are mixed up and there's a lot of bureaucracy involved in getting an obvious cheater banned. I'm not some whiny kid with 50-100h of game time...I've been called one of the best players in the world and my stats show part of why I actually am. Why would i lie about someone? Why would i take the time to even post this? I wanna help the servers I play on to stay clean. Did it on AtS. He's already banned on all servers there, a report was sent to GGC and I personally reported him in battlelog in detail.

Sorry for TL;DR. Cheers!

Vercetti

2012-04-09, 17:33

Check fasafiso's IP. Let me guess...He's from Turkey, right?

Yup, he is.

WhiteMoose

2012-04-09, 17:45

Further proof:
1. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/strlnhsdtr/weapons/447808925/pc/
Defend the kpm on M249, 870MCS, DAO12, M240B and especially the G36C and I have nothing more to say to anyone that does.

Metro.

Kaspiris

2012-04-09, 17:49

Cerealno, the admins are definitely inconsistent in how they ban people on their servers, but a lot of that has to do with how many different admins moderate their servers. Â*I got permabanned for having 5 really good games in a row but the admin didn't even explain what I was doing to cheat, he just assumed I was cheating because of my score, but I later got unbanned as some other admins who played with me know I don't cheat. Â*As for your video, it's 100% obvious that hacks were being used. Â*However, I could see how it might be confusing to the average gamer as to what is actually going on.

I noticed some random scrub with horrible stats using an aimbot on one of their servers. Â*Now the mistake I made was that I didn't record it as he was on my team, but this guy:

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/BaZurk-NYC/stats/289353884/

Was using the PKP from sniper rifle range but he wasn't standing still and picking people off. Â*He was moving while shooting at 150+ yards and getting headshot kills across the map like crazy as they were all instant kills for him. Â*He went 40-0 in a couple minutes. Â*I was following him watching him *RUN* while spraying the PKP across the map for instant kills which is *IMPOSSIBLE* while moving. Â*He wasn't even trying to hide the fact that he was using an aimbot. Â*This was post patch after the PKP had been nerfed a little and the second I said I am getting an admin to come in here and ban him, he left immediately.

Anyways, his stats show that he is pretty much a big nub with 5.4% accuracy on the PKP that loaded up an aimbot to dominate an OG server within minutes and then leave the second someone mentioned an admin coming in. Â*I am 100% certain he was hacking that game because I watched how he was making impossible shots one after another. Â*You can't run with an LMG and get kills across the map like that. Impossible which is something I don't think some admins understand. Â*I dare anyone to try it for themselves with a friend and see what happens, lol. Â*So yeah, I reported him cheating, I said exactly what he was doing that game an admin replied with "I don't think he cheats, he probably got lucky that game" ...

Really? Â*An admin who wasn't in that game, can pass judgement on what I saw? Â*It's one thing to not believe me which is fine. Â*You don't have to ban a random scrub who was hacking on your server because I might be lying. Â*But don't come across like you know if this guy cheats or not when you NEVER saw what he was doing on your server. Â*It was as obvious as those Call of Duty hackers you see on the kill cam locking on heads and getting instant kill headshots within seconds of each other to go 40-0 in a couple minutes. Â*Granted it's 10x easier to spot hackers in CoD, but don't defend someone you haven't seen play. Â*

I might play BF3 casually and don't take it too seriously since my competitive FPS days are over, but my gaming past which is briefly mentioned on this thread:

http://oldguys.eu/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4931

which was started by an OG admin about my legitimacy clearly shows that I have the experience to spot an obvious hacker. Â*I came from Counter-Strike, which was the #1 FPS game that involved hackers for the longest time. Â*Hell, what this guy was doing was so obvious, you really didn't even need much experience to spot it. Â*But it's a little insulting when proven top players come to you admins with NOTHING to gain but are just trying to help clean up your servers so they can become more enjoyable gaming experiences for those who visit them get shrugged off like we're idiots. Â*

But I get banned for going 115-8 in an *ENTIRE* round. Â*I didn't do it in a few minutes spraying an LMG while running at sniper rifle range. Â*But the guy who does that doesn't get banned, I am the one who gets banned for having a good score that took the full round to achieve while doing nothing suspicious. Â*In fact, the admin wasn't even in the games I was in, he just saw logs/scoreboard of my score and ASSUMED it must be a hack. Â*So on one hand, you admins ban people that they don't even witness in action and have no explanation as to what they are doing wrong, but on the other hand you admins don't ban people where someone clearly explains exactly how they are hacking and in this case, has shown more than enough evidence.

Kaspiris

2012-04-09, 17:54

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Kaspiris

2012-04-09, 18:12

Please look into these profiles. Are those cheaters?

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/user/strlnhsdtr/

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/user/Go2HeII/

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/user/o-ExTReMe-o/

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/user/lllKoBrAIII/

It's a group of friends playing together.

Longest Headshot 1 385 m
Longest Headshot 1 469 m
Longest Headshot 1 924 m
Longest Headshot 1 000 m

How do you get a 2000m headshot? Ã‚Â*How is that even possible? Ã‚Â*Am I missing something here? Ã‚Â*Cerealno only has a 410m headshot and is obviously much better than these fools without using hacks. Ã‚Â*Again, I'm more of a casual BF3 who is just messing around in the game until Diablo 3 comes out, so maybe there is something I don't know about hitting shots at 1000m - 2000m away?

Gisse

2012-04-09, 18:14

Â*So yeah, I reported him cheating, I said exactly what he was doing that game an admin replied with "I don't think he cheats, he probably got lucky that game" ...

To who did you report that?

Gisse

2012-04-09, 18:17

Please look into these profiles. Are those cheaters?

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/user/strlnhsdtr/

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/user/Go2HeII/

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/user/o-ExTReMe-o/

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/user/lllKoBrAIII/

It's a group of friends playing together.

Longest Headshot 1 385 m
Longest Headshot 1 469 m
Longest Headshot 1 924 m
Longest Headshot 1 000 m

How do you get a 2000m headshot? Â*How is that even possible? Â*Am I missing something here? Â*Cerealno only has a 410m headshot and is obviously much better than these fools without using hacks. Â*Again, I'm more of a casual BF3 who is just messing around in the game until Diablo 3 comes out, so maybe there is something I don't know about hitting shots at 1000m - 2000m away?

I know for 1800m. It is possible on that map with bunch of tank and refinery (sorry forgot name) I have some 1500 on same map. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/Gisse_OG/stats/346918748/

Hangover

2012-04-09, 18:21

I do not understand what you are whining about? You leave complaints here on the forum (which is good) but you are presenting a proof not good enough. Being an admin is trying to be as objective as possible. Do you own all it takes is your statement that someone is cheating then admin add a permban?

If there are indications that someone is cheating, so give admin some time to find the facts and the opportunity to observe a player on our servers, before you get offended.

I fully understand that you feel frustration but let admin do their job so it goes well enough. It will however be apparent in due course, if someone cheating a long time. They will always screw it up if we have a little patience

Kaspiris

2012-04-09, 18:39

Gisse, thanks for the reply. Ã‚Â*That makes sense. Ã‚Â*I didn't know about that map and landing long distance headshots like that. Ã‚Â*I mostly play city maps. Ã‚Â*As for your other question, I reported the cheater on this thread:

http://oldguys.eu/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4931

I didn't feel the need to start another thread so I posted about it there. Ã‚Â*I also reported someone else on that thread for like 100+ violations of mistreating other users which can be seen from his chat log that I linked.

Hangover, the frustrating part wasn't that the person didn't get banned. Ã‚Â*It was the bold statement of "I don't think he cheats, maybe he got lucky that round" from an admin who didn't see what I saw. Ã‚Â*Again, if he doesn't get banned because you don't believe what I say, then fine, I can deal with that. Ã‚Â*That's 100% understandable, as you shouldn't ban someone based on hearsay without further proof. Ã‚Â*

But don't insult my intelligence and tell me that guy got lucky and wasn't cheating when I know 100% for a fact that he was cheating because I saw what he was doing to land those kills. Ã‚Â*Literally, I was right behind him on his team watching him land impossible aimbot shots running and spraying an LMG at long distance going 40-0 in minutes. Ã‚Â*Then I scared him off the server when I told him I'm getting an admin in the server to ban him. Ã‚Â*Then I did my part and reported him on these forums and was told that he got lucky and doesn't cheat, lol. Ã‚Â*

Again, all this happening after I got banned for doing NOTHING wrong. Ã‚Â*I got banned for having good scores on your server. Ã‚Â*No explanation as to what I did wrong, all the admin did was create a thread with my last 5 end round scores saying he permabanned me. Ã‚Â*Can you understand my frustration now?

stoneshank

2012-04-09, 19:12

3. 00:35 first rocket hit with deadly accuracy on like Ã‚Â*75-100m. Pops up, shoots, pops back.

No offense, but that happens all the time.

4. 00:55 he shoots the rocket before i come out from behind the wall. Watch it carefully. Use space if necessary.

Again, prefire or not - prefiring is somethign that marks a good player. Knowing reloadtimes, the average time to regain focus from supress etc are all marks of a good player and will show in situations as this. Thats why I dimissed it every time i saw it. All they had to do is to see a slight pixel over the wall of somethign moving and the rest should be rather "easy" to predict.

5. 01:04 he sees the angle I'm aiming at and comes from the right. This should be your first ESP suspicion.

Irrelevant, firing from the same position over and over, who does that anyway?

6. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/user/o-ExTReMe-o/ This douchebag, his friend, at 01:23 shoots at me. Obviously griefing because I raped all of em so badly the previous round. Clearly they we communicating, although i dunno why...since the ESP should be enough. Imbeciles.

Seems like a valid point Ã‚Â*you make, he tells them where you are. Should not happen but its not an offense we're making this huge post about. As it wasn't on OG servers it kinda falls outside our 'jurisdiction'.

7. 01:49 Turn up your speakers, look and listen closely. I barely look at him and he downs me. Listen to the shot. It's barely audible, like a flick or a ping. He's got a tac light on it so his shot should make a louder bang. Nope.

This is what I talked about earlier about ping , packetloss and clientside hit protection. Thats stuff that happens. Even regulary happening only proves that the connecting between you two seems to have much to wish for , stability wise. I dont know the netcode though so I wouldn't know. But I've been killed like that against well known players. It's nothing to do with cheating, is my personal opinion, even if it sure looks suspicious - that i can agree on.

This isn't funny at all dudes...my clan mates get metabanned for saying the N word, I get kicked for saying "we stole the APC because that's what gypsies do" (The whole world is allowed to call Romanians gypsies, but when I self-satire noooo, it's not nice and it's rasist...KICK!).

You were not kicked for saying gypsy, you were kicked for implying that romanis are thieves as a bunch. Implying gypsies being all thieves got you kicked. I told you that on battlelog upon kick and I will surely kick you for it if it happens again. It has nothing to do with irritation, irrational feeling or oversensitivity. It's just pure manners, I would scold you in public if you said it to my face aswell, mate. Doesn't mean I get angry about it.

Apparently my word counts for very little. Maybe that'll change in the future.

This mate, has to stop. If you want to make contact with an admin who you want to help you out with a matter you need to keep this in mind. Going passive aggressive and keeping your rage showing between the lines, or in this case badly hidden, is not the way. We want to help anyone who asks for help. Ã‚Â*We -do- however ask for proof and you claimed to have undeniable proof but the clip showed very little of that I am afraid.

We don't claim to have a professional knowledge of the game or a moral highground, we siimply do our best to ensure the enjoyment of the gamesession on our servers for everyone, that includes you and also the guy that took your tank when you really wanted it. In your posts there is alot of kept frustration over what you have experienced on some server, the problem is that it colours your posts in a very negative way. It is a game and you should be able to post here without being on the verge of raging.

I bring this up as so many of your points as proofs have been heavily coloured by your initial assesment that they are cheating. They might very well be but it doesn't, to me, show in teh video.

Hangover

2012-04-09, 19:22

Kaspiris: Your reference to one of the admins did not believe that the player cheated you signed was the admin's view at that time. He responded spontaneously what he thought of which one must be allowed to do. That you then report a person in anger and frustration after you had been banned does not make you more objective in the way you write. You obviously believe that justice will be skipped because you yourself have been banned and then all others will be there also as you report to the community.

Would you accept everything that people wrote if you was the admin?

This part of the forum is an opportunity for the admin to notify other members and admins who have been banned. It also gives the individual players to try to appeal the decision, as happened in your case.

As long as we have people who are admins and not only plugins, then the projections of a player to vary.

I can not take away what you have seen in terms of cheating, but you need to get better at presenting allegations and not using yourself as a victim.

WhiteMoose

2012-04-09, 19:28

Stoneshank is spot on with everything he said.

Burning

2012-04-09, 20:06

290 kills in 20min is pretty suspicious, even on metro, Unless he equips it, runs around with pistol and only uses it when he sees an enemy, but to be honest, anybody who does such thing has obviously something to hide.

I think we've banned people for lesser reasons than cereal posted here.
I think he has a point, getting all this evidence here, not much reason for him to make that all up whould there be?
Thats just my thoughts tough.
I will not further get involved into this :)

Champ

2012-04-09, 20:09

From what i see, skimming trough, what was done wrong was: "you told him that you were bringing an admin in" WHY + why not just get the admin in, tell him who to watch, and let the admin do his job ? Ã‚Â*Most people dont notice or know who is admin, they even ask "is there an admin around" when beeing in the squad with 3 for 4 rounds straight, or say "admin kick NN, he is cheating", where NN in fact is the admin

stoneshank

2012-04-09, 20:36

Hijacked thread is confusing

Kaspiris

2012-04-09, 23:26

Champ, I couldn't get a hold of an admin at that moment, so I said that just to scare him off and it worked. Ã‚Â*It's all good though as I haven't seen him again since that game, so it's pretty much a non issue at this point and sorry for making it seem like I was trying to hijack this thread.

Lets get back on topic, 290 kills in 20 minutes is an obvious hack, and that should be all the evidence you need. Ã‚Â*That's 14.5 kills per minute or 1 kill every 4 seconds for 20 minutes. Ã‚Â*Just think about those numbers for a minute. Ã‚Â*There is no possible scenario that you can come up with to defend those numbers to make it seem like it could have been legit. Ã‚Â*If that doesn't scream I toggled an aimbot on, nothing ever will.

FluggerNO

2012-04-10, 00:11

Well..

I have been looking and looking now at this BaZurk-NYC dude.
GOD know how manny hours I have used now.
But in the end I got something.
And that is BaZurk-NYC`s fast grow in K/D. From the 30/3/12 it was 0,85 and now 9/4/12 its up to 1,36.
For that to happen`d he need to have grown some big skills over a few days.

But in the future Â*:arrow: use the friken live support on our homepage or use the friken TS. Its like members on there all the time.
There is NO point in using all this space and time on this matter.
Get the hands on an admin. The admin will help u.

BaZurk-NYC Â*:arrow: Perm Ban.

cerealno

2012-04-10, 01:36

Ok. I get it and see what must be done. My time, as well as yours, has been wasted. Personally I won't make that mistake again. If you had played against him you'd think thrice about posting what you posted. Clearly you don't see what I see and I'm a fool for believing he's a cheater. You're right, he's not cheating. Also, Stone and Moose you guys have far more experience than me in this and in the game. I should have known better. What I will do whenever I'm on your servers and he (and/or his mates) joins is get 2 guys with me in the tank and make him rage so much that he'll destroy everyone and hopefully the server. Maybe then someone will listen.

I'll do what I do best. Lurk in the shadows, wait for him to make a mistake, he'll get banned, I won't even say i told you so because it's not worth it and then Moose can tell you again how spot on you were. That'll teach me to trust other people to do what needs to be done, go by the book and make a report instead of doing things my way.

About the gypsy thing, your opinion is invalid to me. It's like I would lecture you about war, never even having been in one or the army. Would you even consider hearing it? I think not. You'd dismiss me in a flash and you'd be right to do so. Plus, clearly socio-satire isn't your cup of tea. I was talking about Romanians and how everybody thinks we're gypsies and thieves. I can say what i want about my own nation and people, you however can't even have an opinion. Common sense dictates it. Unless of course you've been living in Romania for 25 years and I don't know about it. By the by, racism can't exist when speaking about one's own race. Why are black people "allowed" to say the N-word to each other? People act like it's ok. I didn't even make an angry post about it. Why do you think that is?

If no action is taken against this guy, this conversation is pointless and I won't participate further. Thank you for your time and I apologize for wasting it.

stoneshank

2012-04-10, 02:56

Mate, really, whats up with the drama. We're asking for proof and I dont even kick a mav glitcher until i see him with my own eyes. It's not a matter of trust but to ensure we give everyone a fair chance, not banned out of hearsay or insufficient proof. It's not a discredit to you or anyone when we simply dont see what you see.

There is no reason to childish about it though, surely you are old enough to behave and argument without falling back on "Ok. I get it and see what must be done. My time, as well as yours, has been wasted. Personally I won't make that mistake again."

About socio-satire; you were clearly stating gypsy. If you want to get into some deep humor, trust me, a game server isnt the place. :) Again, you weren't typing about Romanians, you were clearly stating gypsies, it's enough for me to trigger and dont you think you live in some superspecial country. Any country were you prosecute minorities are to blame, so is my own as racism isnt a rare thing here either. Shit is shit everywhere, dont make me tolerate it or consider it a "culturally valid" opinion, so to hell with any bullshit about you being OK'd to talk smack about gypsies.

As far as you initial intention of the post; I'm not convinced, maybe you can come on TS and make a conversation as forums are both clunky and, it seems, easy to missunderstand?

Gisse

2012-04-10, 10:38

Cerealno, you really have history of bad manners on our server.

I know that this is game for grown up people but you behave really childish and abusive. If you are number 1 or number 6 best tank driver that don't give you right to act bad to other people on our servers.

insult on national base
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-09 05:56:08 cerealno FAST trukish ratboy
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-08 01:26:21 cerealno watch those turkish cunts
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-03 02:40:02 cerealno any grammar nazis? so i can troll em too?
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-03-22 17:07:42 cerealno russian imbecile

just insults
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-09 05:55:18 cerealno learn english you inbred imbecile
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-09 05:53:20 cerealno ia pula pana crapi fraiere
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-05 17:09:16 cerealno ia pula pana-ti crapa falcile
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-04 01:11:16 cerealno 8=====================D Ã‚Â*(this is obviously your famous as you use it regularly in chat)

Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-02 14:40:39 cerealno nobody asked for your opinion
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-02 14:40:33 cerealno shut it you imbecile

Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-02 14:03:10 cerealno vin la tine si-ti dau foc la casa cand dormi (this one is really ....)

Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-02 13:50:30 cerealno put it in your mouth
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-02 13:50:23 cerealno 8==================D

Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-01 03:07:39 cerealno FUCKIN IMBECILE
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-01 03:07:22 cerealno YOU STUPID FUCKIN CUNT
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-01 03:07:17 cerealno YOU MOTHERFUCKER
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-01 03:07:03 cerealno OUT YOU MORON

Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-03-29 03:26:13 cerealno !votemakeweaselsuckmycock
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-03-29 03:23:25 cerealno judging by your words weasel you are a cock enthusiast

Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-03-29 02:16:53 cerealno you imbeciles better start doing something
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-03-29 02:11:58 cerealno ok. apparently you're a moron

And mate ... who are you to talk to Vercety or anybody to ban people on our servers just because they don't give you tank or what ever? I know for this case and it is really .....
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-04-03 20:45:02 cerealno i'll talk to vercetti or mac to get a guy banned

Also, why you are telling people to go off our server?
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-03-12 02:10:04 cerealno or i guarantee you'll be banned
Old Guys Gaming #5 Karkand 24/7 1000 tickets 2012-03-12 02:09:44 cerealno never come back here again and crawl back under the rock from where you came

Champ

2012-04-10, 12:22

From what i see Gisse post here, why isnt this guy banned from our servers ? I had kicked and tbaned him a few times for thoose

cerealno

2012-04-10, 14:18

So you search the chat logs and take things out of context when the topic is about cheating? Is that what you do? That's on the same level with what the Turkish guy, that came on your forum, posted. Instead of addressing the issue you try to discredit me? What has the fact that i swear got to do with the fact that i accused someone of cheating? NOTHING! Then you google translate what i say in Romanian? Really? Do you have any idea what those guys said or did in order for me to say what i said? When they say stuff to me in Russian, Turkish or whatever language and your admins don't enforce the English only rule, you blame me? Why don't you post the whole conversation between me and those guys, if you guys are so "objective"? Let everyone see what they said, or no, just post what i said so i look like a raving lunatic who just swears left and right for no reason, that'll do just fine. Did you ever stop to think if they actually deserve what i tell them? I'd stay silent for a whole round if they didn't start to talk about me or accuse me of cheating or try to votekick/voteban me. But no, i actually like chatting in-game and being an ass without any reason, rather than playing and getting points. You're right. Totally. Do me a favor. Post all the chat log or nothing at all. Don't try to denigrate me like that and post just what YOU want to post. By the way, I laughed so hard at what you posted and I'm sure others did and will too. Let's see what's worse for you guys, retards/cheaters/imbeciles trying to kick or ban good players, or the fact that i swear. I have to defend myself and my approach usually works on servers. If I were left alone, I would leave everyone else alone too. I do expect an apology for what you posted in an insincere, not serious and totally subjective manner. Let's see maturity and wisdom at its best, because I'm clearly behaving like a kid

When the hell did i ever talk to you or anyone because i didn't get the tank? WHAT? So you're publicly saying that i asked for you to kick someone because he took my precious tank before me, while i was crying? Well done. Do you even know what griefing is? How about when someone takes it and just sits there in one spot and doesn't move or shoot? No? Nothing? No admin on and i ask for a favor because my team is losing when we're at a colossal disadvantage? I can't ask for a kick for that? Try harder if you want to discredit me (again) in such a poor way.

Champ...I could say some things to you that would be unkind. I'll try to keep it civil. Did you even read the whole topic or just wanted to say something for the hell of it? Do you feel the need to voice an opinion or the need for attention, or both? You sound like "hey guys, I'm here too. Just got back from playing Metro. Oh a new thread? I shall post. Read? Nah, I'll just read the last post. Done. I WIN!" *hears the crowd cheering in his mind*

If those illiterate Turkish guys actually make sense of this thread, Â*they'll be laughing so hard at both me and all of you that it's gonna bring them to tears. I'm disappointed, but i wish you good luck in running your servers.

Gisse

2012-04-10, 14:58

Mate, go find girlfriend.

FluggerNO

2012-04-10, 15:03

Mate, go find girlfriend.

+1

cerealno

2012-04-10, 15:13

Mate, go find girlfriend.

PFFFFFFHAHAHAHAHA. I really laughed at that one. That and I remembered Flugger's face.

RPGforYOU

2012-04-10, 15:15

If you are just that bit of an adult.
You know that you don't have to throw fire to them, when they are throwing with fire ...

Also, offending directly or indirectly members of our clan. Shows the mature way of handling a complaint about a cheater. Going into a 'discussion'(If you can call it like that) with OG members about the proof of a possible cheater.

Doesn't mean threatening, offending, ... our community, servers neither our members.
Also personally attacking a member of us ... has nothing to do with your purpose you posted on this topic in the first place.

How to say it in a civil way? If you suspect someone is cheating come with good proof!
And attacking our members is not really gone help your goal ...

To gisse:

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/619/Untitled-1.jpg

Champ

2012-04-10, 16:47

I read it, if you paid attention, i even posted earlier.
I commented that you had ALOT of incidents, where I as an admin had warned, killed, kicked, tbaned.
And since it is repeating itself, i would prolly have skipped warning and killing the second time

Oh yes a play metro, i like that map, and in my current hardware state, it is the only thing i can play, but on the other hand, i havent played much for a week

stoneshank

2012-04-10, 17:22

You came to me on battlelog and said you would upload and post undeniable proof in form of a video, you further explained that you would post a guideline how to spot a cheater. The latter were not helping at all (really, what did you think some grown ups would think?) and your video left much to desire. We simply wont ban someone on proof that is that subjective (as in, your own interpetation of the youtube data).

Had you been gone around with it with simply argumented the wierd stats of the guy, explained in a calm manner the why's and how's how he got wiped in the first place (we still just have your statement that he has been wiped before to go on) and methodically presented incitaments of that this guy isn't playing fair, it would take you about twenty lines of text, two minutes of your time and alot less forumpages. Instead you behave utterly defensive and aggressive at the same time, hurt that we simply just jump to your opinion, claiming it as our own. Thats not how we work and it's one of the reasons you haven't been banned for cheating on our servers - WE DONT BAN JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS GOOD AND MIGHT CHEAT. We evaluate and dicuss and try to keep it objective. Time told us that we did the right thing, you dont cheat as far as we can see and for me any questionmarks i had about your score and peformance are straightened out and I dont even consider anyone accusing you as a cheater as a reliable source for any information.

This guy we dont know enough of, the time we could have spent checking out his profile and other data was spent trying to handhold your day-to-day moodswings here at the forum instead.

Grow a pair and shape up, or atleast change your age on your battlelog to a more suitable and excusable age. This sounds harsh and is on the border on what I would consider writing here, but really.

Your enmity towards us for disagreeing isn't productive and I would expect someone who has been accused of cheating so much as you claim to know how to beginn a complaintpost about another player without going the wrong way about it.

Kaspiris

2012-04-10, 17:31

cerealno

2012-04-10, 18:39

Stone, I had a high opinion of you mate. I'm sorry but I'm disappointed. It was really hard to see I'm not cheating, what with my youtube vids, friend count, previous reputation in the battlefield series yada yada...you had to debate. Don't worry about my age mate, worry about others' in OG and ask yourself if it's reflected in their character. I see you say nothing about your colleagues behavior. Really objective...again. I asked you guys to come to my private unranked server and try to do what he did and NOBODY answered. NOBODY. Why? It's a perfect way to test. I see you guys prefer to talk instead of going after hard facts. You think ANYONE in this game can take me down like that with my experience? M4 at 100m with flashlight? .44 at 75m? Really? It wasn't even a shot, you can't even hear it when you should be able to. You only hear a zing. Just one and i'm down. Test. I did. You'll hear the shots and the guy that's shooting you will have to shoot a couple of bullets at you. Dead in like 3secs from the first shot if he's good. You know what he did in previous games before i got him banned? Killed me in the tank with the repair tool and knife. Would that be good enough for you or would you still...have to debate an rationalize it?
Not to worry, reports were submitted on GGC and battlelog. Banned him before and, as I've said, I'll do it again. I just hope they watch it with their eyes open. He's already banned on all AtS servers. That's how things should be done. You need to trust the good players when they tell you something. Ã‚Â*Thanks for all your help.

From what i see, skimming trough, what was done wrong was: "you told him that you were bringing an admin in" WHY + why not just get the admin in, tell him who to watch, and let the admin do his job ? Ã‚Â*Most people dont notice or know who is admin, they even ask "is there an admin around" when beeing in the squad with 3 for 4 rounds straight, or say "admin kick NN, he is cheating", where NN in fact is the admin

If you don't bother reading, just skim, don't bother posting. That was your first post. Then you said the tban thing in response to what Gisse said. Read, understand and post or don't bother doing anything. You were offtopic the first time. Even Stone said the thread was hijacked. You think 5-10 euros a month and/or your age entitles you to have an opinion without knowing all facts? You're dead wrong mate. Ã‚Â*We get it. You're so hardcore you don't need to read everything and be informed. Awesome. Now please, stay out of this. You've proven your worth.

Kaspiris...don't even bother. As moose said "Metro." He's the expert. It's totally legit. 'Nuff said.

Champ

2012-04-10, 19:22

Whatever you say boy.

I have commented on the posts over me both times, and have been spot on with my remarks, but you soo butthurt, you cant see it

With us a "I am a good player, who i say cheat, should be banned, just on my word" attitude wont work, sorry mate.
You say your reputation in BF series, should legimitate your claims, i am sorry to say boy, i have NEVER heard of you beofre some guys said you were a pain in the ass, and had bad behaviour on our server.

From what i see in chat logs, i honestly dont understand why you are not banned on our servers, most others with that behaviour would. You are prolly a good player, never played you, never will prolly, but a good player dont mean we should listen to what you say always.

Old Guys have been around for a long time, and have always done things this way, and it seems to work, we get more pats on the back for good work, then we get complaints we take serious. off course if we get complaints, we see is legit, we are quick to appologize and do it right again (wich can be seen in another recent thread in this forum)

I would appriciate you stick to the case, not attack a OG member as a person

stoneshank

2012-04-10, 19:46

stoneshank

2012-04-10, 20:00

CerealNO.

I have commented on the posts over me both times, and have been spot on with my remarks, but you soo butthurt, you cant see it

With us a "I am a good player, who i say cheat, should be banned, just on my word" attitude wont work, sorry mate.
You say your reputation in BF series, should legimitate your claims, i am sorry to say boy, i have NEVER heard of you beofre some guys said you were a pain in the ass, and had bad behaviour on our server.

From what i see in chat logs, i honestly dont understand why you are not banned on our servers, most others with that behaviour would. You are prolly a good player, never played you, never will prolly, but a good player dont mean we should listen to what you say always.

Old Guys have been around for a long time, and have always done things this way, and it seems to work, we get more pats on the back for good work, then we get complaints we take serious. off course if we get complaints, we see is legit, we are quick to appologize and do it right again (wich can be seen in another recent thread in this forum)

I would appriciate you stick to the case, not attack a OG member as a person[/quote]

Dont make stuff up, CerealNO. We discuss internally everyone that stands out and that people complain about, you really think you can go into a server and totally dominate on a tankmap with a tank and noone complains? Everyone agreed that you dont cheat, so get over it. The world is not out to get you.

As far as infantry goes, really mate, you are NOT that good. You are a tank player foremost but when it comes to infantry, at 100 meters hitting a pretty much still target that dont even evasive jump - easily done. As far as the sound etc, thats clientside hitdetection vs packetloss for you mate.

I'm not interessted in your testserver etc, as packetloss cant be replicated like that as we simply cannot decide when info routed on the internet will fail to deliver properly. I've told you extensively.

As far as listening to when better players tell us something, why do you think this thread is three pages long? ALL we have done is listening to you and tried to understand your point of view. But if we dont agree, that doesn't mean you're right by default just because you are a better tank player, it really doesn't. I've gamed since 98 online. Ive played in the national team myself aswell.. long ago when i had reflexes. I've topped clanbase in different leagues, i've won them tournaments etc. That doesnt say -anything- about my skill or understanding of BF3 though. I've learned however, that to approach different matters in a humble way.

As I meantioned earlier, you were more interessting in bickering and bitching than presenting unbiased proof of cheating and you failed to do so.

Your opinion about me (while i feel the same about you mayhaps) doesn't really mean anything. I dont base my friendlist on skill, I dont talk differently to people based on their epeen, their rank or if they are deemed awesome by others or not. I treat you, and I should, the same way I currently do as I treat anyone complaining.

The sole reason I even bothered to reply is that I felt I had enough experience of you, on servers, to atleast try to back you up if your proof were good enough to use.

You however, have used all trust for nothing. Im, quite frankly, very disapointed with you. You wrote in chat that you would help us how to spot a cheater and the only thing you provided in the video is some childish "1. Laugh at cheater"-list that noone in their right mind would use for anything but to smile at, humor inclined towards that kind of humor.

The next time you want to report a cheater, make sure you post in a neutral manner. I dont expect you to be friendly, but being hostile when challenged about the proof doesn't help your cause. We will do -fine- without you on the server, the server is for people who wants to play and have fun, the rank of the player doesn't matter at all to us.

I really wish you would have spent time on pointing out suspicious battlelog details instead of bickering like a child about what you think of our opinion. I would be suprised if you were to stay on the servers at all after your little stunt.

I suggest we lock this thread as it has turned offroad and is just risking to be about namecalling and other nonproductive things.

Kaspiris

2012-04-10, 20:10

We're asking for proof

290 kills in 20 minutes on Metro is an obvious hack, and that should be all the evidence or *PROOF* you need. Â*That's 14.5 kills per minute or 1 kill every 4 seconds for 20 minutes. Â*Just think about those numbers for a minute. Â*There is no possible scenario that you can come up with to defend those numbers to make it seem like it could have been legit. Â*If that doesn't scream I toggled an aimbot on, nothing ever will. Â*Burning thinks so as well.

Is this about the OPs post or something else that you talked about earlier when you hijacked the thread? Because if it is not, then please stay out of the thread as you cant keep to topic.

This was in reply to this:

290 kills in 20min is pretty suspicious, even on metro, Unless he equips it, runs around with pistol and only uses it when he sees an enemy, but to be honest, anybody who does such thing has obviously something to hide.

I think we've banned people for lesser reasons than cereal posted here.
I think he has a point, getting all this evidence here, not much reason for him to make that all up whould there be?
Thats just my thoughts tough.
I will not further get involved into this :)

I thought Burning was speaking about the person in question in the OP? Ã‚Â*So I am replying on topic here. Ã‚Â*If what Burning said was true, how could you not ban a person for doing that?

stoneshank

2012-04-10, 20:15

Who did 290 kills in 20 minutes? I've actually had very little time to check into anything than to reply to the raging posts cerealNO has posted, to be frank. It's not until the conversation is in a calm state I evenbother to check out the topic at hand. I've tried to do it simultaneously now but I just assumed your posting has just been a hijack all along (as you said yourself you were sorry for hijacking about another subject but did Ã‚Â*not want to start a new thread).

Kaspiris

2012-04-10, 20:20

Who did 290 kills in 20 minutes?

lol, now we're both confused! Ã‚Â*Ask Burning, he posted that quote above and I assumed he was speaking about one of the people in question in the OP. Ã‚Â*The guy I was complaining about who already got perm banned btw, didn't do anything like that, well, not from what I saw. Ã‚Â*And the only reason I even brought him up, wasn't to hijack the thread, but was to tell Cereanlo that when you have so many different admins moderating servers, you are going to get inconsistent results. Ã‚Â*That's not an insult to you admins as it's human nature, we're all different. Ã‚Â*But yeah, Burning, who are you talking about?

Burning

2012-04-10, 20:58

O no what have i done Ã‚Â*:P

I was reffering to this posted by CerealNo

...
1. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/strlnhsdtr/weapons/447808925/pc/
Defend the kpm on M249, 870MCS, DAO12, M240B and especially the G36C and I have nothing more to say to anyone that does.
...

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/strlnhsdtr/iteminfo/g36c/447808925/pc/
That link to be more specific, this guy has played with the G36c since i posted, So what i saw is sort of gone.
He played a total time of Ã‚Â*1 hour and 2 min with this weapon AT THIS CURRENT time. Ã‚Â*As seen under the global weapons tab.
Now he has 435 kills with the G36C agian, at this current time.
Making 435 Kills in 1 hour is pretty suspicious if you ask me. Ã‚Â*makes for a 6.94 kills a MIN which tbh i dont think anybody can pull of as constant enough to make it up to 435 kills, and the playtime was less before.

Now coming back at what i said about banning people for lesser proof. This is slighty wrong, since in those cases that i've encounted some cheater banned for lesser reasons, it was because an admin was physically there, and about 2 - 3 of them all agreed on a person cheating.

This topic is ofcourse a difference , since none of the actual OG guys saw the guy cheating.

Hope this cleared something up! :)